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John Gribble
@john-gribble
04/10/18 10:35:47AM
124 posts

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That's very interesting. I hope we can learn more.

This instrument looks like a return to the craftsmanship, materials, and attention to detail Jethro's earlier instruments had.

 

 

nigelbleddfa
@nigelbleddfa
04/10/18 10:08:32AM
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Hello Joe,

It is quite a big job to download the entire website because you download its structure as well as its content  (tablature, articles, classifieds, etc).

I have already downloaded the site and have discovered that there are only 970 tablature files. PDF files are small and the whole lot of them take up only 82.2 MB. (I have not had the time to check the "articles".)

I am new to this forum but very experienced in forums generally having been on many, at different times, for the best part of twenty six years. As a newcomer, I am reluctant to make suggestions particularly as my announcement here of the proposed closure met with a response which I regarded as being rude. That post and my reply to it have been removed, presumably by moderators.

So, it is not for me to tell forum members what they should do. I would imagine that the site owner and moderators have already discussed the implications of the future closure and I should be grateful if they would offer some guidance on what may, or may not be, discussed here in relation to it.

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
04/10/18 09:29:44AM
142 posts

Tell us about your VERY FIRST dulcimer


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Jethro's son was named Morris Jethro Amburgey so the "M.J. Amburgey" signature on this dulcimer is most likely that of Jethro's son.    

Joseph Besse
@joseph-besse
04/10/18 09:03:31AM
53 posts

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How can I download all of the tabs and articles to a flash drive? I do not know how to clone the site as Brian G. did.  I have a MacBook Air with 128 gig.

 

Joe

Brian G.
@brian-g
04/10/18 06:56:45AM
94 posts

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Hi Jim,

I'll post my final results when I'm done, but as of right now, we are at 2.46GB, 69,150 files written, and elapsed time of 13h, 20m (using no more than 4 active connections).  I am using a very fast computer (overclocked i7-7700k CPU, liquid cooled, 32 gigs RAM), but am also using a wireless connection (that was an oversight on my part - my cable for hardwiring my connection is actually plugged into another computer nearby I was testing recently and I didn't notice it until now) so my transfer rate is pretty slow ~25kb/s).

Also, as I mentioned in my initial post (and Nigel also wrote below), this type of software is doing more than simply downloading. It actually parses the HTML files of websites and rebuilds the original site's directory and link structure. The result is that you can then load a page of the mirrored website in your browser and browse the site just as if you were doing it online.

John Gribble
@john-gribble
04/10/18 03:58:21AM
124 posts

Tell us about your VERY FIRST dulcimer


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Actually, Jethro Amburgey passed away in 1971. By that time he had made and numbered over a thousand instruments. The signature on this one is "M J Amburgey," dated 3-7-76, and is #42. So I would guess it was made by another member of his family, perhaps a son. Someone else who knows more about this stuff than I do can bring more information to the table. 

No matter. It looks like a very nice instrument in excellent condition. Enjoy!

 

 


updated by @john-gribble: 04/10/18 04:00:19AM
nigelbleddfa
@nigelbleddfa
04/10/18 02:56:42AM
33 posts

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Having read the banner on the "ED" site I posted a notice here. Then, I set to work cloning the website. The owner of the website had given his implied consent for copying. I used HTTrack and I believe that I now have the whole site intact on my local computer.

The figures for me were as follows :

Computer using i5 processor and download speeds of 45 Meg

Website Site = 2.3 GB

976 Folders

57,617 files.

 

The software is "mining" software and it does more than just download data. The data is downloaded repeatedly as the website is reconstructed on your computer. In my case I think the whole operation took just over ten hours to complete.

 

 

 


updated by @nigelbleddfa: 04/10/18 05:58:24AM
Jim Hedman
@jim-hedman
04/10/18 02:22:40AM
25 posts

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Brian, did you (or anyone else) download Everthing Dulcimer and if so what was the folder size?  This information would be useful with respect to the capacity of the external device contemplated.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/09/18 10:44:55PM
1,873 posts

Tell us about your VERY FIRST dulcimer


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Ken Hulme: As Dusty also says (he steals all my good lines)  Ask questions, and if we don't know the answer we'll make something up! 

Well there's no reason to steal the bad ones! nahnah

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/09/18 10:09:16PM
279 posts

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ShowtimeGary's is an Amburgy from 1976. Signature in the strum hollow is seen on one of his images. I'm jealous.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/09/18 09:54:59PM
2,157 posts

Tell us about your VERY FIRST dulcimer


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Look inside the rear soundholes; there may be a maker's label visible.  Beautiful instrument, as Dusty says it is build for more traditional playing since it has no 6+ fret and traditional wooden pegs.  I've attached three articles I wrote for new players. 

The first is called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?  It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms (so we all speak the same lingo), plus answers to many beginner questions about the tuning, playing, care and feeding of your new acquisition.

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/dulcimer-resourcestabs-books-websites-dvds/17129/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

This one is an introduction to playing Noter & Drone -- one of two or three traditional ways to play (the others are Fingerdancing and the rare bowing)

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/dulcimer-resourcestabs-books-websites-dvds/15049/get-noterized

The other attached file is all about the older Modal style of tunings (not the modern DAd, although it's mentioned) and how they relate to the diatonic (non-chromatic) fretboard of the traditional dulcimer.  

As Dusty also says (he steals all my good lines)  Ask questions, and if we don't know the answer we'll make something up!  

Enjoy your dulcimer journey!

 


Uncontrite Modal Folker.pdf - 92KB
Brian G.
@brian-g
04/09/18 09:31:23PM
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Hi Irene. Yes, you can choose the output location for the files, so you can specify to an external drive such as a USB thumb drive or an SD card, as long as it's big enough to hold the contents of the site you're trying to "mirror" (ie, copy).

IRENE
@irene
04/09/18 09:10:40PM
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great news.  however, I have an older computer and way slow internet.  bummers.  Could it all be downloaded to a THUMB DRIVE?  I could have a friend do that and then I'd have all those tunes, and so much good info on building dulcimers and etc.  Why can't someone else take it over?   aloha, irene

Brian G.
@brian-g
04/09/18 08:34:13PM
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The Wayback Machine is a great resource, but because our site of interest (ie, EverythingDulcimer.com) still currently exists, there's a better option - use a website copier program to simply download the entire website to your hard drive.

Properly configured, programs like this will rebuild the entire website locally, with all of the tab, mp3s, midis, articles, etc.  This takes a long time to do (as in hours in the case of EverythingDulcimer.com), depending on your internet speed and how "beefy" your computer is, but if you set it up and run it before you go to sleep, or before you head out to work, you may never notice. And it's a whole lot faster/more efficient than going through hundreds of tab files, articles, etc. to decide which ones you might like to keep and then downloading those individually. 

I use HTTrack because it's free and has a pretty good interface (as far as these types of programs are concerned).  But there are others that will also do the job, including WebWhacker, SiteSucker, SurfOffline, Grab-A-Site and more.

ShowtimeGary
@showtimegary
04/09/18 06:16:28PM
2 posts

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Thanks all. I will be playing it Dusty. If it's got strings on it at my house it gets played.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/09/18 05:49:05PM
279 posts

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Showtimegary--that is an awesome instrument you have. Enjoy it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/09/18 05:32:28PM
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@showtimegary. there is nothing we can tell you. You're on your own.

Ha! I'm kidding, of course. giggle2   You are going to get tons of advice from this site, and some of it might even be helpful!

First off, I would suggest you join both the Beginners Group and the Old Style Drone Players Group , since your dulcimer is intended for traditional styles of music.  Poke around there and see if there are old conversations that might help.

Secondly, don't be afraid to just play.  Put the dulcimer on your lap, tune it up, and start playing.  If you like what you hear, do it again.  If you don't, try something different.  Lots of people learned to play this instrument long before the internet or even tablature had been used.

If you are a beginner, Strumelia's Noter and Drone Blog  might be very helpful.

And when you have questions, speak up. If we don't know the answer, we'll make something up!winky

ShowtimeGary
@showtimegary
04/09/18 05:08:01PM
2 posts

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Just bought my first Dulcimer and know very little about it. Is there anything you all could tell me ?


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linseytn
@linseytn
04/09/18 09:40:56AM
3 posts

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I just started playing the dulcimer in January using a borrowed instrument.  Quickly decided that I wanted to continue playing and started looking for one of my own.  I knew I didn't want to play traditional music on an instrument made overseas so that ruled out some of the less expensive commercially produced instruments.  Stumbled across OldTyme Dulcimers on etsy.  He is located in north Georgia.  He built this instrument for me at what I thought was a very reasonable price.  Walnut and butternut with the two cute little cats for the soundholes.  I found the cat silhouettes I wanted to use and emailed to him.  He chose the tweety bird for the upper sound hole.  It came with four strings.  I just attended an intro to flatpicking workshop given by Tull Glazener which was excellent.  Love that sound and took off one of the melody strings to make it easier to flatpick.


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IRENE
@irene
04/08/18 11:19:49PM
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Thanks so much for all you teach here, including a way to find old sites closed down.  I read his letter as to why he's closing down and it's so understandable.  I'm sure we all wish Bruce the BEST in where he puts his time and efforts.  aloha, irene

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/08/18 10:28:45PM
2,157 posts

Possible Source of Wood for Instruments


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Most piano keys were never solid ebony or ivory, but rather maple or another hard wood with thin ebony or ivory overlays, and later phenolic and other early "plastic" overlays.  

A woodworker would need some special equipment to salvage the wood from a piano.  I built several dulcimers when I lived on Kwajalein, from WWII era solid mahogany desks and other military officer furnishings that I recycled.  A deep-throat bandsaw with the special jigs to re-saw thick wood into thin planks for starters, and a wide-mouthed plane as well as a wide-mouthed surface sander.  Otherwise the waste is horrendous.


updated by @ken-hulme: 04/08/18 10:34:10PM
Sam
@sam
04/08/18 10:04:35PM
169 posts

Possible Source of Wood for Instruments


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I'll check those Robin. I know the white ones are not ivory :( I used to do a lot of scrimshaw work and would love to have ivory to piddle with.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/08/18 06:58:11PM
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I think chorded zither (autoharp) makers will use an old piano to get wood for the pin block.  

Sam, if the old piano has real ebony keys, those are of value. 

Sam
@sam
04/08/18 05:35:56PM
169 posts

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This is an issue with me. At the old place ... mom's old piano is just sitting there. It's been years. The keys now stick and it's out of tune. I've tried so hard to find it a home. I've offered it for free so many times and in so many places. It's very old now and shows it. Not that beat up, just old. 

I've often thought of dismantling it and salvaging the wood. It's very expensive to get it milled though. I can buy dulcimer supplies much cheaper. 

So unless there is sentimental value, I don't think many old family pianos will be recycled. It's a shame too. I'm sure that many have beautiful wood in them.

Paula Brawdy
@paula-brawdy
04/08/18 05:50:10AM
54 posts

Boys of Wexford and Banish Misfortune


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Thank you so much Dusty for the tab for Boys of Wexford , I will try it out and let you know... not home much today but sometime this week!  and thanks to Ken for pointing me to Banish Misfortune tab!   You guys are great

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/08/18 12:38:53AM
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Don't forget, Bruce did write the following:

"We have some great resources like our tablature, articles and other items not directly associated with a user account that needs a place to live. I’m going to look for options of how best to make these resources available in perpetuity."

Bruce may well be making plans to house the Tabs and articles someplace online himself.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/07/18 11:58:58PM
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John C. Knopf: Perhaps a member, or a group of members, can consider taking the reins of ED in the future?  Is this a possibility? 

John, I see over at ED that one person has volunteered to take the site over, but I'm not sure everyone understands how much work is involved and how much technical savvy it requires.  A team of people with the right range of expertise might be able to do it, but the number of people who have that expertise, have the time available, and have an interest in dulcimers is pretty low.  I have not given up hope that the right group of folks might step forward, but I also think that the rest of us with our own websites will have to be more involved in the future to fill the large void ED will leave.

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/07/18 11:42:18PM
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The FOTMD moderators and I are going to be keeping the discussion about ED closing focused in one thread, so people won't get confused by multiple ongoing threads about the same subject.

Please follow Dusty's link below to the active discussion where anyone can post about it.  I'll lock this thread now. 

Thanks for understanding!

IRENE
@irene
04/07/18 11:16:27PM
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WOAH, that is one fabulous site, full of much research and love the list of songs etc.  WHY WHY WHY?   Can't somebody take it over?  hard to say aloha to that site.  irene

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/07/18 11:10:54PM
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@linda-boies, we are all in shock about this development.  Please see an earlier discussion about ED closing .  Lois has explained how to use the "Wayback Machine" to find material from expired websites.  Hopefully all the resources available on ED will still be around even if no one can be found to maintain the current site.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/07/18 10:59:39PM
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Boys of Wexford and Banish Misfortune


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Paula, I've been wanting to learn Boys from Wexford myself, so I began the process of transposing the sheet music to D and arranging some basic harmonic accompaniment.  You can see in the attached pdf what I've come up with so far (I call it a "work in progress," or WIP).  It should get you started.  From here my process will be to listen to as many versions of the song as I can to hear when there should be minor chords instead of major chords.  And then I will begin adding the "filler," meaning the arpeggios and other minor embellishments to fill in the spaces when the melody takes several beats.  If you have any luck with this tab, let me know.


The Boys from Wexford (WIP).pdf - 58KB

updated by @dusty: 04/07/18 11:03:32PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/07/18 10:18:18PM
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Boys of Wexford and Banish Misfortune


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@paula-brawdy , there is plenty of sheet music for Boys of Wexford available online. Most of it seems to be in the key of G.  It wouldn't be too hard to transpose that to D. But also note that Leo is playing a dulcimer with four equidistant strings.  I'm sure you could figure out how to play the tune in regular DAd tuning, but it won't be exactly like his. Also, he uses the 1+ fret to get a C chord in Banish Misfortune.

Here is Leo's version for reference .  He is a member here, so you might consider contacting him directly.  


updated by @dusty: 04/07/18 10:18:38PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/07/18 09:53:41PM
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Boys of Wexford and Banish Misfortune


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Banish Misfortune is in the Everything Dulcimer Tab collection:

http://www.everythingdulcimer.com/files/tab/banish_misfortune.pdf

Hopefully we will somehow be able to save Everything Dulcimer before it goes away June 1st!

Paula Brawdy
@paula-brawdy
04/07/18 05:05:04PM
54 posts

Boys of Wexford and Banish Misfortune


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I would love to find mtn dulcimer tab for the Boys of Wexford and banish misfortune...I think they are traditional tunes... Does anyone have these tunes... I have been listening to Leo Kretzner play them on youtube!


updated by @paula-brawdy: 02/24/20 09:39:34PM
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
04/07/18 04:22:49PM
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Perhaps a member, or a group of members, can consider taking the reins of ED in the future?  Is this a possibility?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/07/18 03:07:22PM
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Yes, the tab archive at ED was a great resource for beginners. I learned a few tunes that way when I was first starting out before I gained the confidence to figure songs out on my own.  I do hope that database is retained somehow.

But everyone should know that ED is not the only site to maintain free dulcimer tablature.  I list 9 such sites on the Resources page of my website, and I'm sure there are others.  (If you know of any, let me know and I'll add them.)


updated by @dusty: 04/07/18 03:08:34PM
Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/07/18 02:25:09PM
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So sad. That like this site has been a breath of fresh air for those who love the dulcimer. Will sure miss the tabbed music.

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/07/18 02:22:22PM
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Kusani:

Strumelia, is there any way you, we, could pick up that site if no one else does?  I believe it is the most important website for tabbed dulcimer music; not to mention the wealth of general information. 

Kusani, I was just as surprised as everyone else to find out about this today.  Right now, everybody (myself included) likely needs some time to wrap their heads around it all.  In any case, it's not really my place to insert myself into.

In the meantime, as others have suggested, people should take the time to download whatever Articles they are interested in on ED, and probably also a good idea to just take an hour or three to go through the TAB collection there and download your favorites.  Saving your favorite articles and TABs will go a long way towards feeling a little more grounded.  Lois' reminder is also good, in that most pages on ED will be still somewhat accessible through the internet archive.


updated by @strumelia: 04/07/18 02:26:46PM
Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
04/07/18 01:57:49PM
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The tab there is what lots of players want, but I just fell into a 3 year-old discussion here about tunings.  It mentioned a DAA chord chart that went into several keys.  A search sent me to a discussion on Everything Dulcimer by Stephen Seifert as he was developing a new handout about DAA chords.  From there I went to his website & his 3 charts.  I am pretty sure I've downloaded it in the past, but just to be sure I printed it out again.  Since the site won't really plan to add anything, now's the time to prowl Archive.org on Feb 24, 2018 to see if it's complete.

I've also found the more people prowl a site there, the easier it stays to find it.

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